Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby Martinwiertz » Wed May 13, 2020 6:23 pm

Ok, great effort from Beezim. I will investigate how to create an installation from binaries. After installation are there updates available or via repository from Zimbra?

very unfortunate that Zimbra does not make the open source binaries available as it used to be. The FOSS users are considered ambassadors.....?


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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby BradC » Thu May 14, 2020 2:03 am

Martinwiertz wrote:The FOSS users are considered ...
unwelcome.

The blog post is pretty clear. Any nod to OSS is intended to help in markets where buzzwords are required to tick boxes. The purpose of the OSS release was as a stepping stone to an NE license.

I see it as a positive statement. After years of complete silence from Synacor, they've finally extended the middle finger in black and white to make it quite clear they aren't interested in any interaction unless you are a paying customer. They are a for-profit business, so it's entirely their choice.
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby barrydegraaff » Thu May 14, 2020 8:03 am

Martinwiertz wrote:I will investigate how to create an installation from binaries.


See https://github.com/zimbra/zm-build
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby DualBoot » Thu May 14, 2020 8:22 am

Installation binaries => DIY
So I guess update binaries is the same => DIY
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby jorgedlcruz » Thu May 14, 2020 9:32 am

Hi Barry!
I think, after reading all the comments, speaking with so many in the Community, and knowing the DNA of the product, etc. It is clear to me that what the biggest concern, and a simple way for Synacor to make everyone happy, is for them to keep building Zimbra Open Source, and giving the official build (without Zimbra Modern UI and Network Edition features).

I mean, it just takes 15 minutes to do manually, and they have already everything in place to auto-produce builds.

If Synacor produces today a Zimbra 9 build, without the new UI and the NE packages, same as always, nothing of this discussion would happen. Yes, people would have complained that the new UI is not there, etc, but that's okay, same as there is no native Backup or AS in Zimbra OSE.

It is that simple, the FAQ, the Blogs, the Newsletters, everything is good, and an extra for those no aware of the big effort Synacor makes for the Open Source, but it is just that extra mile Zimbra always provided, the official build.

That is at least my humble opinion. I can not conceive myself to need to build NextCloud, or OwnCloud, ONLYOFFICE, LibreOffice, or any other Open Source project, in order to use it. Zimbra is not a small, new project, it is a really respected, example for others, and WIDELY used project, and it can keep the massive user base by just shipping a Zimbra 9 OSE build, that simple, nothing new, nothing complex, I even have done it live
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby DualBoot » Thu May 14, 2020 12:34 pm

I think it is a nonsense to build the Open Source version without the modern UI. UI is what users see at first glance, this is what they will want Zimbra and maybe going to the NE for more features.
Old UI is old-fashioned so users would think Zimbra is old-fashioned.
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Postby ajcody » Thu May 14, 2020 12:53 pm

interesting... curious how it shakes out
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby sgiunchi » Thu May 14, 2020 1:11 pm

DualBoot wrote:I think it is a nonsense to build the Open Source version without the modern UI. UI is what users see at first glance, this is what they will want Zimbra and maybe going to the NE for more features.
Old UI is old-fashioned so users would think Zimbra is old-fashioned.


Having already built packages would be necessary, but not open sourcing the modern UI is a show-stopper for me.
If Synacor development efforts are on modern UI, and zimlet v2 which don't work on old UI, how long can the open source UI last? Until v.9.5? Maybe until last 9.x version, but I bet it will not reach v.10.
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby Martinwiertz » Fri May 15, 2020 5:25 pm

DualBoot wrote:I think it is a nonsense to build the Open Source version without the modern UI. UI is what users see at first glance, this is what they will want Zimbra and maybe going to the NE for more features.
Old UI is old-fashioned so users would think Zimbra is old-fashioned.


As a home/family user we use the webinterface and imap. Zimbra without the modern UI is still very useable in combination with a mailclient. So the availability of an installable package is needed.

Zimbra! Please provide opensource version including patches etc.
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Re: Zimbra 9 now available - in case anyone missed the blog post

Postby phoenix » Fri May 15, 2020 5:31 pm

Martinwiertz wrote:Zimbra! Please provide opensource version including patches etc.
It looks like it's not going to happen, IMO. For further information you should keep an eye on these posts: https://forums.zimbra.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=68073
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